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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:36 pm
by bobappleton
you are something. i often forget where i learned "most" of my life-lessons from - jazz. then you remind me...

in art or design i'd talk about "oppositing" - meaning the simple act of doing the opposite of what anyone else is doing. if they're fast - go slow. if they're big, be small. if they're straight ahead, don't be... etc

so parker in 1946 is playing the musical equivalent of bored and laughing (at the same time - no simple idea). bored and laughing is "contradiction" in postmodern theory. one example from jacques lacan (french psychoanlyst and critical theorist): "the unconscious is the discourse of the other"... then when talking about how this applies in therapy, he adds "the subject first talks about himself without talking to you, then he talks to you without talking about himself. When he is able to talk to you about himself, the analysis is over."

musical performance is a form of therapy spoken out loud. the unconscious freely expresses anything it chooses. when the unconscious stops talking the "therapy" is over - either someone else starts "talking", or there's a structured passage (composition or arrangement) which creates a segue.

you might like what george lewis has written comparing john cage and charlie parker as two musicians interested in "real-time" music. it's worth a read. http://www.4shared.com/file/92896573/cd ... dcage.html


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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:09 pm
by bobappleton
absolutely. and i'll share more as i know it.

my hope is that there may also be a message for you in george lewis (who you must know - through muhal richard abrams at least).

;

our forum makes me wish that we all lived in the same town and could hang out. the next best thing to 'examples' is 'doing'

ps: you once asked for a longer version of my improv with the parakeet. it's here now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbzrh1-XI0o

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:39 am
by bobappleton
sorry if i'm still off-topic. your posts are really interesting and bring up a ton of stuff for me.

i was able to find a copy of the joseph jarman cd "song for" with christopher gaddy on piano http://themoreyouthinkaboutit.blogspot.com

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:35 pm
by bobappleton
;)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:15 pm
by sandywilliams
I love that line at bars 14 and 15. I hear two other things when I slow it down:
1. right after the A natural in bar two I hear an Ab..setting up a Bb7 change.
2. The last note I hear as an F natural. The is a good example of what George calls 'Vertical Poly-modality' 'cause the notes on beat three outline a Bb aug and the last four notes an F minor triad.

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:54 am
by sandywilliams
Hope you feel better soon!

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:00 pm
by bobappleton
Yes. Get well soon. Here's a little Lou Donaldson for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNnpk50v ... 17&index=9

Get well!!!

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:53 am
by chespernevins
Motherlode!

Please get well and be back to us soon!

We're thinking of you,

CN, aka Jason

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:20 pm
by bobappleton

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:35 pm
by bobappleton

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:06 pm
by bobappleton
wendell harrison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mr4NUv2uHo

who is the bass clarinetist?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:28 pm
by bobappleton

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:51 am
by bobappleton

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:47 am
by bobappleton

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:49 am
by bobappleton
charlie parker and dizzy gillespie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dolWWd ... re=related