The +4 "riddle"

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Postby Drez » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:00 am

... I like what you just said... I'm new here and look forward to assimilating this concept into my musical thought processes. I play trumpet and percusssion in small combo and improvising is mandatory... I (too quickly) read the first 5 chapters and finished test A in ch4 and decided I was ready to grab a standard chart (pencil & paper) "Autumn Leaves" and convert the changes to concept... wrong! ... It seemed like I was doing ok until I got to the (Bmin7b5 for me) in bar 5, my mental process fell apart :roll:

questions, please...

I see from chart A that +IV is the PLT for min7b5 (ii of minor ii-V-i), - at this point in the song I am thinking, ok, F Lydian scale is Primary, but I think I need tension/outgoing: what are the best Tonal Order choices? how do I know? Is there a "most likely" candidate Tonal Order that an LCC improvisor would use over a min7b5 in this situation? Is this info in the book - upcoming chapter?
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Postby sandywilliams » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:27 pm

Unfortunately I don’t think the Circle of Close to Distant Relationships is in the new edition of the book. Hopefully this will be addressed when the book on Horizontal Tonal Gravity comes out.
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Postby Drez » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:55 am

thank you both for this incite... my book came with a doc called CHART A. It has two sides refered to as brain and body. Perhaps the "Close to Distant Relationship" is hidden here.


Also for steering me toward better chord chart... the realbook chart I copied has in bars 5 - 8: (trumpet key)

/Bm7b5 /E7 /Am9 /Am9/ .... instead of
/F#m7b5 /B7 /Em9 /Em9/
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Postby sandywilliams » Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:05 am

It was in a different key.
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Postby Drez » Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:41 am

:oops: thanks... how embarassing ... I'm at work, in another world and didn't think it through...
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Postby sandywilliams » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:11 pm

No worries. Sometimes it gets played in G(concert) and sometimes in Bb. It's nice to play tunes in different keys. There is Paul Desmond side ( with the great Ed Bickert on guitar) where they play Wave in F. This has become something fun to do at gigs. Manly men can play any tune in any key..its good practice anyway.
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